Essential minimalists gear check list for jungle trail tours

I've had a wisperlite for about 15 years, probably longer. it is a nice bit of kit. The XGK is even better , it will run on anything. I personally don't like petrol/Gasolene/Coleman Fuel stoves, had a bad experience once. you do need to mess about with the foil windshield a bit. but you can't argue with using the same spare fuel bottle. The stove does pack down very small. Whats wrong with just making a fire ? Damp , wet or green Wood and Sods law. I still think a Alcohol stove is best. you can cook safely in your shelter if the need arises. you do need an MSR branded Fuel bottle due to the way it is pressurised.
 
Exploded drawing of the Whisperlite


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I've had a wisperlite for about 15 years, probably longer. it is a nice bit of kit. The XGK is even better , it will run on anything. I personally don't like petrol/Gasolene/Coleman Fuel stoves, had a bad experience once. you do need to mess about with the foil windshield a bit. but you can't argue with using the same spare fuel bottle. The stove does pack down very small. Whats wrong with just making a fire ? Damp , wet or green Wood and Sods law. I still think a Alcohol stove is best. you can cook safely in your shelter if the need arises. you do need an MSR branded Fuel bottle due to the way it is pressurised.
 
I watched the youtube video and it looks like a great bit of kit, but what's wrong with just making a fire, all you have to carry is a fire stick or a box of matches or am i thinking too laterally..:excuseme:

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I have owned both for years.

The MSR XGK stove is basically an on/off blowtorch. Great if you need high heat (such as melting snow for water), but not good for simmering. The jet has to be changed for fuels other than Coleman fuel.

The Whisperlite came in two versions. The Whisperlite International had the extra jets for other fuels.
 
Want to travel remote light? Take just 21" inner tubes. Obviously designed for the front wheel, but will work just fine in the rear 18" wheel. Buy the heavy duty MX inner tube type (They are IRC brand & come in a silver box in Thailand) and less likely to get a puncture from a pinched inner tube.


The MX thick tubes available here pictured below:



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Phil, what Thai petrol did you use for this test? Gasohol or non Gasohol?


I used 95 benzine from the yellow sign pump in a PTT fuel station. Was surprised how much soot residue accumulated just from 180 seconds of boiling some water.
 
Need to have the ability SOLO to cross deep rivers with a 100 KG off-road bike? What about this?

The new Klymit Lite Water Dingy weighs just 1KG and folds up as small as a shoebox, probably smaller than a tent / Hammock & flysheet you will carry


Let the bike cool down, pack protection under sharp footpegs etc... & this could get you to some interesting places, across deep rivers if short handed


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The boat is formed from two die-cut swaths of fabric, top and bottom thermo-sealed. Six tie-out points are integrated into the seam to evenly distribute stress. (Strange aside: A warning printed on the hull cautions not to leave the boat in the sun when fully inflated to avoid busted seams due to air expansion!)









Alpacka make more robust pack rafts, but are much more expensive, this is only USD $ 225 .... AMAZON have for sale for USD$ 170 http://www.amazon.com/Klymit-LiteWater-Dinghy-Packraft/dp/B00HZ0PD1O




Klymit sets very real expectations for the boat on its site: Mild flat water to very wavy water with easy avoidable obstacles. To me, the boat exceeded these expectations.
The LWD fits the niche for lightweight travelers whose paths cross non-technical waters. I look forward to pushing what can be done with this small craft, which at $225 is also a less expensive option for those who have previously been priced out of the sport.


Credit: New Pack Raft Model Weighs 35 ounces. We Put To Full Test | Gear Junkie





Use your tarp pole as the paddle:

https://alpackarafts.com/product/trekking-pole-paddle/









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Doesnt look well suited to white water


 
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must have for remote areas travel etc.I used it in Mongolia for cooking /drinking sometime.very handy screw directly onto a standard bottle or a squeeze bottle system.the best water I drink there was ice cold spring/filtered water! in the pics below.can buy on ebay for a few bucks!

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The first 9 uses are for what if things go wrong, #10 is for what if things go right...

[video=youtube_share;LK06DCpXRiI]http://youtu.be/LK06DCpXRiI[/video]

They also have another video for survival uses of a tampon, but I'm assuming fewer of us would be already carrying one of those on the jungle trails.
 
Some really good pointers here from Thermarest (who make the best thought out camping gear) on how to speed up the learning process and enjoy your camping more:


Look at the 3am temperature where you'll be camping and calculate what insulation you'll need to be comfortable.

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If ground camping, really look at the pitching area and make sure your head will be on the high side, even slightly downhill will ruin your nights sleep and you wont enjoy the camping


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You dont want the mattress hard, ive found here though inflate to the max, by 3am with the temperature drop it will be underfilled

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Wear a base layer and your sleeping bag wont smell, or use a liner. A liner alone will often work and easy to wash.


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Dont go to sleep needing a leek, get ride of as much beer before sleeping as you can.


sleep5 by Triangle Golden 007, on Flickr



"I'll use clothes as pillow" - get a decent inflatable pillow, it transforms your sleep while camping


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The "revolutionary" Polarmond Sleeping System. Looks fabulous until you see it weighs 4kg to sleep 1 person.


http://www.mikeott.ch/wordpress/products/?lang=en






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A waterproof shelter, sleeping bag and sleeping pad are three of the most important pieces of kit you'll need when bedding down in the great outdoors on a cold night. Usually those three things are purchased, packed and set up separately, but Swiss startup Polarmond has a different idea. Its All-In-One sleep system rolls all three components into one unit with the goal of delivering a warmer, more comfortable night of sleep in temperatures down to -22° F (-30° C)



The primary component of the All-In-One sleep system is what Polarmond calls the sleep shell. This unit blends the features and functions of a bivouac sack, sleeping bag and sleeping pad. When compared to the tight confines of a mummy bag, the design opens things up with a multi-layered inner chamber.
The chamber's outer shell is built from a waterproof-breathable material that protects from wind and rain while allowing excess interior water vapor to escape. That shell fabric is lined with a layer of high-loft fleece insulation designed to keep warm air inside. A sleeping pad provides both insulation and cushioning underneath the occupant.
Inside the chamber, a sleep liner plays the role of blanket, providing soft, breathable next-to-skin warmth. That sleep liner channels perspiration away from the body, trapping it inside a moisture-lock barrier, where it can be released by shaking out the liner in the morning. Some inner moisture escapes out of the zipper-adjustable ventilation port that sits about neck level. That port also serves to regulate the temperature inside.



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Traditional tents and bivy sacks provide basic weather protection, but rely on sleeping bags, blankets and sleeping pads for insulation. By creating a temperature-regulating chamber, Polarmond eliminates the need to use a separate sleeping bag. That provides a freer night of sleep, allowing you to roll around like you would at home.
Polarmond also says that the chamber offers space to store things like a smartphone and a drink without having them wedged into your body. By integrating the sleeping pad into the floor of the sleep cell, the company prevents any uncomfortable pad shifting. The pad and the blanket-like liner can also be removed from the sleep cell and used on their own.
The sleep cell features a hooded design that leaves your face exposed to the elements. This will be a comfortable way to sleep and breathe freely under the stars in temperate weather, but you'll want more protection if it's raining or hovering anywhere near the -22° F rating. For those nights, you can add the bivouac or tent module to create a full enclosure. Each one connects to the sleep shell and puts a roof over your head. The bivy is a smaller, lighter option, while the tent provides a roomier alternative with more storage space.
The sleep cell weighs in between 8.6 and 9.5 lb (3.9 and 4.3 kg), depending upon the weight of liner you select. The bivouac module spikes total weight range up to 9/9.9 lb (4.1/4.5 kg), and the tent brings it to 10.6/11.5 lb (4.8/5.2 kg).
Those weights don't necessarily sound light for a modular, all-in-one sleep system, but it is an expedition-level sleeping system rated down to -22° F, so you can't compare it to the lightest of light backpacking setups. Instead, you have to compare it to what it replaces – heavy duty bivy, below-zero sleeping bag and well-insulated sleeping pad.
Using OutdoorGearLab's in-depth comparison of different bivy sacks as a guide, we can put bivy weight at 2 lb (0.9 kg) for a comparably warm, heavy duty model with integrated pole structure. Based on the few -20 to -30° F (-29 to -34° C) sleeping bags we looked at (not exactly a super-crowded end of the market), you can expect to add anywhere between 3.5 and 5 lb (1.6 and 2.3 kg) there. So we'll say 4.25 lb (1.9 kg). A warm, insulated sleeping pad like the Exped Downmat TT 9 M (rated to -25 F) adds another 2 lb (0.9 kg).
Add those component weights together and you get a total of 8.25 lb (3.7 lb), which is significantly lighter than any configuration of the Polarmond sleep system. You could play around with different components all day, getting configurations that are much lighter, heavier, low priced, high priced, etc., but suffice it to say that Polarmond's sleep system adds a bit of weight while offering extra room and comfort when compared to going the separate component route.
 
You can buy a big bag of them in Tesco Lotus, so easy to find

Which section are these ? The cooking, gardening, with the plastic bags .. I'm lost. They look awesome for carrying and also for starting BBQ at home, my missus is a fan of the Thai way, a bit of inner tube and I hate the taste of burning rubber on my burgers.

If you run out of cooking fuel is a small ball loaded with WD-40, light it and burns for some time, maybe it takes a couple of balls to get a cup of coffee but better than poke in the eye.
 

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They were near the canned food I think. Take a photo of it and show on your phone when you get there. 2 cubes will boil a cup of water.
 
MSR (Cascade Designs) have a great new light tent product for 2016. Looks interesting for here as well ventilated.


http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/t...er-mesh-house-2-trekking-pole-shelter/product


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Ultralight weight is critical for thru-hikers and long-distance backpackers, and at .41 kg (14 oz), this shelter meets that requirement and others: excellent ventilation, good protection, and enough livable space for two to be comfortable for weeks or months on the trail. It's also an extremely packable and adaptable shelter. Use the Mesh House on its own for bug-free protection—a necessity in the High Sierras—or pair it with the Thru-Hiker 70 or 100 Wing (sold separately) for added wind and rain coverage. Whatever the trail—AT, PCT, CDT or TBD—this shelter system lets you configure the right combination of weight and protection that's right for your trip, and any section along the way.
 
One more ... 6 person lightweight tarp


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Offering all-season versatility and protection for minimalists or guided groups in the backcountry, the lofty and spacious Twin Brothers shelter provides ample room for four to sleep, or space enough for six to use as a gathering area. The simple, two-pole design pitches easily with included poles and packs down small for maximum versatility. Large doors and covered external peak vents offer superior livability.



They say 6 fit


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http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/t...s/twin-brothers-6-person-tarp-shelter/product
 
Would be interested to see if it does. I've watched a few videos on this tent and agree this a very airy and spacious tent for the low weight. Although it's not a really big deal, hiking poles always put me off...

I think without poles this would rig pretty easily from a motorcycle on its side stand - looks like the best tent for Asia I think. Light and good quality with ventilation.


http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/t...lylite-2-person-trekking-pole-shelter/product



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Would be interested to see if it does. I've watched a few videos on this tent and agree this a very airy and spacious tent for the low weight. Although it's not a really big deal, hiking poles always put me off...
Get some MSR adjustable tent poles there are three different lengths available and they are strong, light and easy to pack !!!

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Thanks Michael. Without sounding anal though, at 305g each (you need two poles) the weight of the whole setup becomes 1020 + 305 + 305 = 1.73kg. The new FreeLite 2 Ultralight Backpacking Tent weighs 1.25kg and the gold standard Hubba Hubba NX 2-Person Backpacking Tent, a very similar 1.72kg for the same floor space.

It's only without the poles the FlyLite 2-Person Trekking Pole Shelter stays an ultra-lightweight option.

Get some MSR adjustable tent poles there are three different lengths available and they are strong, light and easy to pack !!!

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If money was no object - Outdoor Gear Labs' Ultimate lightweight camping gear choices:


[h=2]Tent[/h]
1: Hilleberg Anjan 2




[h=2]Tent Stakes[/h]
1: Easton Nano Tent Stakes or MSR Groundhog Stakes



[h=2]Tent Footprint[/h]
1: Tyvek



[h=2]Men's Sleeping Bag[/h]
1: Western Mountaineering Ultralite 20



[h=2]Sleeping Bag Stuff Sack[/h]
1: ZPacks Medium Dry Bag or Sea to Summit Ultra-Sil Compression Sack




[h=2]Men's Sleeping Pad[/h]
1: Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Xtherm



[h=2]Trekking Poles (if have tarp alternative)[/h]
1: Black Diamond Alpine Carbon Cork



[h=2]Headlamp[/h]
1: Coast HL7 or Black Diamond ReVolt




[h=2]Stove[/h]
1: MSR Windburner



[h=2]Pot[/h]
1: MSR Quick 2 System



[h=2]Mug[/h]
1: Snow Peak Trek 700 Titanium Mug (also our UL recommendation)




[h=2]Spork[/h]
1: Snow Peak Titanium Spork



[h=2]Pocket Knife[/h]
1: Benchmade Mini-Barrage 585



[h=2]Energy Bars[/h]
1: Probar Meal



[h=2]Water Bottles[/h]
1: Klean Kanteen Original 27



[h=2]Hydration Bladders[/h]
1: Geigerrig Hydration Engine



[h=2]Water Purification (Iodene works just fine)[/h]
1: Platypus GravityWorks or MSR SweetWater Microfilter



[h=2]Portable Solar Panel[/h]
1: InstaPark Mercury 10




[h=2]Men's Long Sleeve Shirt[/h]
1: Smartwool NTS Mid 250 Crew and Patagonia Capilene 4 Expedition Weight 1/4 Zip




[h=2]Men's Waterproof Jacket[/h]
1: Marmot Essence




[h=2]Men's Wind Jacket[/h]
1: Arc'teryx Squamish Hoody




Source: http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/a/11136/Dream-Backpacking-Gear-List
 
I'm a fan of these series of videos. The latest looks at tips for hygiene whilst backpacking and is applicable for any rider jungle camping after a tough day on the trails.

[video=youtube_share;_dJsVcgi5cc]http://youtu.be/_dJsVcgi5cc[/video]
 
From MSR (Cascade Designs) the new MSR Freelite tent

http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/t...reelite-2-ultralight-backpacking-tent/product


2 man packed weight is 1.25kg


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ColorRed
Capacity2
Fast & Light® Minimum Weight w/ footprint2 lbs / 900 g
Minimum Weight2 lbs 6 oz / 1.08 kg
Packed Weight2 lbs 12 oz / 1.25 kg
Floor Area29 sq. ft / 2.7 sq. m
Vestibule Area17.5 sq. ft / 1.62 sq. m
Tent Volume30 cu. ft / 850 liters
Vestibule Volume14.5 cu. ft / 410 liters
Interior Peak Height36 in / 91 cm
Packed Size18 x 6 in / 46 x 15 cm
Number of Doors2
Freestandingyes
Number of Poles1 Aluminum 7000 Series
Number of Stakes10 MSR Needle
Also Included4 guy cords, 4 aluminum cord adjusters
Rainfly Fabric15D Nylon Ristop 1200mm Durashield™ polyurethane & silicone
Mesh Type10D polyester micro-mesh
Floor Fabric15D Ripstop Nylon 1200mm Durashield™ polyurethane & DWR
Country of OriginImported
 
I'm going to buy this newly updated tent from MSR as soon as I have the opportunity to have it sent via someone in the US (not directly and get hit with import charges), the Carbon Reflex 2 http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/tents/backpacking-tents/carbon-reflex-2/product

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It's not freestanding like the Freelite but the carbon fibre pole system and lightweight materials put it at less than 1kg for a full 2 man tent. Ideal for a rider and gear when you know you are planning to camp the night.

[video=youtube_share;R6gxoGRTVEY]http://youtu.be/R6gxoGRTVEY[/video]
 
I like this thread .. it has plenty of good info.

I found this guy on youtube, and thought he has plenty of good info.

His channel contains some interesting material, In his latest vid he talks about top quilts Vs sleeping bags .. maybe of interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef578YYAfaw
 
Here's an interesting video from the CEO of Mosko Moto on how he packed before a month long 'buy-a-bike when you arrive' trip to a West Africa:

[video=youtube_share;SM1KvrypKJc]http://youtu.be/SM1KvrypKJc[/video]
 
Good find. Saw the photos from his Africa trip on their website. A company that uses it own gear ,seems to be senssible, a good promotion. Has any one used their gear?
 
Sales pitch/review of this tent: [video=youtube_share;DVIdraobkm0]http://youtu.be/DVIdraobkm0[/video]

From MSR (Cascade Designs) the new MSR Freelite tent

http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/t...reelite-2-ultralight-backpacking-tent/product


2 man packed weight is 1.25kg


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ColorRed
Capacity2
Fast & Light® Minimum Weight w/ footprint2 lbs / 900 g
Minimum Weight2 lbs 6 oz / 1.08 kg
Packed Weight2 lbs 12 oz / 1.25 kg
Floor Area29 sq. ft / 2.7 sq. m
Vestibule Area17.5 sq. ft / 1.62 sq. m
Tent Volume30 cu. ft / 850 liters
Vestibule Volume14.5 cu. ft / 410 liters
Interior Peak Height36 in / 91 cm
Packed Size18 x 6 in / 46 x 15 cm
Number of Doors2
Freestandingyes
Number of Poles1 Aluminum 7000 Series
Number of Stakes10 MSR Needle
Also Included4 guy cords, 4 aluminum cord adjusters
Rainfly Fabric15D Nylon Ristop 1200mm Durashield™ polyurethane & silicone
Mesh Type10D polyester micro-mesh
Floor Fabric15D Ripstop Nylon 1200mm Durashield™ polyurethane & DWR
Country of OriginImported
 
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